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Thomas W. Webmaster avlv@hotmail.de Nov 21, 2008, 2:55 PM Post #1 of 42 (13 views) Shortcut OT: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! Can't Post Apparently, Hillary is going to be Obama's Secretary of state: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/clinton-to-accept-secretary-of-state-job/?hp Thomas

"George Leppla" Webmaster george@cruisemaster.com Nov 21, 2008, 3:02 PM Post #2 of 42 (13 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post   "Thomas W." <avlv@hotmail.de> wrote in message news:lf4ei498ha53muucgaj1skn71cbuvcvsl6@4ax.com... > Apparently, Hillary is going to be Obama's Secretary of state: > > http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/clinton-to-accept-secretary-of-state-job/?hp > > Thomas I think the screaming you hear is probably Nonny... one of Hillary's best fans. <vbg> George L

fxd99@NOSPAMverizon.net Webmaster fxd99@NOSPAMverizon.net Nov 21, 2008, 3:52 PM Post #3 of 42 (13 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post George Leppla wrote: > > "Thomas W." <avlv@hotmail.de> wrote in message > news:lf4ei498ha53muucgaj1skn71cbuvcvsl6@4ax.com... > >> Apparently, Hillary is going to be Obama's Secretary of state: >> >> http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/clinton-to-accept-secretary-of-state-job/?hp >> >> >> Thomas > > > > I think the screaming you hear is probably Nonny... one of Hillary's > best fans. <vbg> > > George L So much for 'change'. His whole staff seem to be Clinton admin. retreads. That didn't take long. Denny in Mass

"George Leppla" Webmaster george@cruisemaster.com Nov 21, 2008, 4:01 PM Post #4 of 42 (13 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post   <fxd99@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message news:001a3f78$0$24018$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... > George Leppla wrote: >> >> "Thomas W." <avlv@hotmail.de> wrote in message >> news:lf4ei498ha53muucgaj1skn71cbuvcvsl6@4ax.com... >> >>> Apparently, Hillary is going to be Obama's Secretary of state: >>> >>> http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/clinton-to-accept-secretary-of-state-job/?hp >>> >>> Thomas >> >> >> >> I think the screaming you hear is probably Nonny... one of Hillary's best >> fans. <vbg> >> >> George L > So much for 'change'. His whole staff seem to be Clinton admin. retreads. > That didn't take long. > Denny in Mass Rock and a hard place. If he chose people from outside the Beltway, the knock would have been that "his choice of inexperienced people shows poor judgment". By picking experienced people, the knock becomes that he isn't making good on the promise of "change". I'll give him points for reaching out to McCain for help... and appointing people he was running against. ... but then, we'll just have to wait to see what form "change" takes. George L

Thomas W. Webmaster avlv@hotmail.de Nov 21, 2008, 4:08 PM Post #5 of 42 (13 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:01:03 -0600, "George Leppla" <george@cruisemaster.com> wrote: >I'll give him points for reaching out to McCain for help... and appointing >people he was running against. ... but then, we'll just have to wait to see >what form "change" takes. > >George L I see it the same way. But in any case, it's going to be very entertaining to see him and Hillary duke it out. If he's able to control her, I'll be very impressed. Thomas

salmoneous@aol.com Webmaster salmoneous@aol.com Nov 21, 2008, 4:19 PM Post #6 of 42 (13 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post > I see it the same way. But in any case, it's going to be very > entertaining to see him and Hillary duke it out. If he's able to > control her, I'll be very impressed. > > Thomas You seem to think Hillary will fight with the president and be nearly impossible to control. Why?

CLM in ND Webmaster camarvel8@hotmail.com Nov 21, 2008, 4:24 PM Post #7 of 42 (13 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post On Nov 21, 3:01=A0pm, "George Leppla" <geo...@cruisemaster.com> wrote: > <fx...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message > > news:001a3f78$0$24018$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... > > > > > > > George Leppla wrote: > > >> "Thomas W." <a...@hotmail.de> wrote in message > >>news:lf4ei498ha53muucgaj1skn71cbuvcvsl6@4ax.com... > > >>> Apparently, Hillary is going to be Obama's Secretary of state: > > >>>http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/clinton-to-accept-secre.= .. > > >>> Thomas > > >> I think the screaming you hear is probably Nonny... one of Hillary's b= est > >> fans. <vbg> > > >> George L > > So much for 'change'. His whole staff seem to be Clinton admin. retread= s. > > That didn't take long. > > Denny in Mass > > Rock and a hard place. > > If he chose people from outside the Beltway, the knock would have been th= at > "his choice of inexperienced people shows poor judgment". =A0By picking > experienced people, the knock becomes that he isn't making good on the > promise of "change". > > I'll give him points for reaching out to McCain for help... and appointin= g > people he was running against. ... but then, we'll just have to wait to s= ee > what form "change" takes. > > George L- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - It kind of reminds me of when GW appointed Colin Powell & Condi Rice. If he hadn't appointed any blacks to his cabinet, then he's a racist. Since he did, they're Uncle Toms. I remember Harry Belafonte had some rather unkind things to say about Powell & Rice a few years ago, pretty much saying that they were tokens. But, then again, he's a Castro/Chavez-loving celebrity, so I don't really put much stock in his opinion. Cameron

Thomas W. Webmaster avlv@hotmail.de Nov 21, 2008, 4:29 PM Post #8 of 42 (13 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:19:43 -0800 (PST), salmoneous@aol.com wrote: >> I see it the same way. But in any case, it's going to be very >> entertaining to see him and Hillary duke it out. If he's able to >> control her, I'll be very impressed. >> >> Thomas > >You seem to think Hillary will fight with the president and be nearly >impossible to control. Why? That's putting it strongly. I think it's a good choice, but that it might lead to trouble because of Mrs. Clinton obvious strong ego and the shadow of her husband. If they can combine their stregths, it's a great choice. If there's trouble, there might be lots of it. Firing her at some point seems a pretty problematic option. Then again, my knowledge of American politics stems mostly from "The West Wing". Thomas

CLM in ND Webmaster camarvel8@hotmail.com Nov 21, 2008, 4:36 PM Post #9 of 42 (13 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post On Nov 21, 3:29=A0pm, Thomas W. <a...@hotmail.de> wrote: > On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:19:43 -0800 (PST), salmone...@aol.com wrote: > >> I see it the same way. But in any case, it's going to be very > >> entertaining to see him and Hillary duke it out. If he's able to > >> control her, I'll be very impressed. > > >> Thomas > > >You seem to think Hillary will fight with the president and be nearly > >impossible to control. Why? > > That's putting it strongly. I think it's a good choice, but that it > might lead to trouble because of Mrs. Clinton obvious strong ego and > the shadow of her husband. If they can combine their stregths, it's a > great choice. If there's trouble, there might be lots of it. Firing > her at some point seems a pretty problematic option. > > Then again, my knowledge of American politics stems mostly from "The > West Wing". > > Thomas Not only that, but she probably still feels that she's entitled to the presidency & assumed for years that it would be hers in 2008. Cameron

"Octopus Ride" Webmaster davko58@sonic.net Nov 21, 2008, 4:57 PM Post #10 of 42 (13 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post   <fxd99@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message news:001a3f78$0$24018$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... > George Leppla wrote: >> >> "Thomas W." <avlv@hotmail.de> wrote in message >> news:lf4ei498ha53muucgaj1skn71cbuvcvsl6@4ax.com... >> >>> Apparently, Hillary is going to be Obama's Secretary of state: >>> >>> http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/clinton-to-accept-secretary-of-state-job/?hp >>> >>> Thomas >> >> >> >> I think the screaming you hear is probably Nonny... one of Hillary's best >> fans. <vbg> >> >> George L > So much for 'change'. His whole staff seem to be Clinton admin. retreads. > That didn't take long. Thank goodness he's picking actual adults with proven track records of success instead of a rogues gallery filled with inept clods. If he had picked Arabian horse dealers, Goldman Sachs CEO's, lapdog personal attorneys, and ancient crusty curmudgeons to run everything that wouldn't have been any change at all. Change doesn't mean something *entirely* new; there's no such thing in Washington and there never will be. What we *are* seeing is a total 180 degree change from the pathetically inept gyrations of the buffoonish, amateur laden Bush administration to a government run by people with brains, who are actually qualified for their positions, and who are willing to work with each other to come up with comprehensive plans to deal with today's crisis situation, instead of picking a bunch of clowns who end up free lancing at cross purposes with no supervision. That's a ginormous change from the last 8 years; not to mention the intelligent, curious, informed, and hard working man in the Oval Office. What a tremendous contrast. Thank god. OR

"Double Down Now!" Webmaster double.down.now@hotmail.com Nov 21, 2008, 4:58 PM Post #11 of 42 (13 views) Shortcut Re: OT: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post On Nov 21, 1:55=A0pm, Thomas W. <a...@hotmail.de> wrote: > Apparently, Hillary is going to be Obama's Secretary of state: > > http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/clinton-to-accept-secre... > > Thomas Very smart choice politically, especially when it comes to placating the hawks on the Middle East . It also unifies the Dem party and assures him the support of the women who supported Hillary in the primaries. His pick for Treasury Secretary seemed to go down well with the market this afternoon too. That Obama is one sharp cat :-) http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/21/markets/markets_newyork/index.htm?postversi= on=3D2008112115

salmoneous@aol.com Webmaster salmoneous@aol.com Nov 21, 2008, 5:44 PM Post #12 of 42 (13 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post On Nov 21, 4:29=A0pm, Thomas W. <a...@hotmail.de> wrote: > On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:19:43 -0800 (PST), salmone...@aol.com wrote: > >> I see it the same way. But in any case, it's going to be very > >> entertaining to see him and Hillary duke it out. If he's able to > >> control her, I'll be very impressed. > > >> Thomas > > >You seem to think Hillary will fight with the president and be nearly > >impossible to control. Why? > > That's putting it strongly. I think it's a good choice, but that it > might lead to trouble because of Mrs. Clinton obvious strong ego Everybody at this level has an obvious strong ego. Why single out Hillary? > If there's trouble, there might be lots of it.' Other than her last name being "Clinton" (which seems to drive some people bonkers) what makes you exect trouble? Why single out Hillary for the possibility of trouble? > Firing > her at some point seems a pretty problematic option. Sheesh, she hasn't even been announced and you are already talking about the problems with her being fired? Why single out Hillary for this sort of speculation? Not trying to pick on you Thomas, but this insane "worry about Hillary" meme in drving me bonkers.

salmoneous@aol.com Webmaster salmoneous@aol.com Nov 21, 2008, 5:44 PM Post #13 of 42 (13 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post > Not only that, but she probably still feels that she's entitled to the > presidency & assumed for years that it would be hers in 2008. What makes you say that?

"DocTCW" Webmaster doctcw@aol.com Nov 21, 2008, 5:55 PM Post #14 of 42 (13 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post I think there will be more of a potential for conflict between Biden and Clinton. IMO Joe wanted to be the main foreign relations man. Tom On Nov 21 2008 3:19 PM, salmoneous wrote: > > I see it the same way. But in any case, it's going to be very > > entertaining to see him and Hillary duke it out. If he's able to > > control her, I'll be very impressed. > > > > Thomas > > You seem to think Hillary will fight with the president and be nearly > impossible to control. Why? -------  : the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com

Thomas W. Webmaster avlv@hotmail.de Nov 21, 2008, 6:00 PM Post #15 of 42 (13 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:44:08 -0800 (PST), salmoneous@aol.com wrote: >On Nov 21, 4:29 pm, Thomas W. <a...@hotmail.de> wrote: >> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:19:43 -0800 (PST), salmone...@aol.com wrote: >> >> I see it the same way. But in any case, it's going to be very >> >> entertaining to see him and Hillary duke it out. If he's able to >> >> control her, I'll be very impressed. >> >> >> Thomas >> >> >You seem to think Hillary will fight with the president and be nearly >> >impossible to control. Why? >> >> That's putting it strongly. I think it's a good choice, but that it >> might lead to trouble because of Mrs. Clinton obvious strong ego > >Everybody at this level has an obvious strong ego. Why single out >Hillary? > >> If there's trouble, there might be lots of it.' > >Other than her last name being "Clinton" (which seems to drive some >people bonkers) what makes you expect trouble? Why single out Hillary >for the possibility of trouble? I'd think that was obvious: she was his main opponent for the nomination? *I* 'd certainly be a bit bitter. > >> Firing >> her at some point seems a pretty problematic option. > >Sheesh, she hasn't even been announced and you are already talking >about the problems with her being fired? Why single out Hillary for >this sort of speculation? I'd probably single out anyone who was Obama's last serious rival for the nomination. > >Not trying to pick on you Thomas, but this insane "worry about >Hillary" meme in drving me bonkers. Remember, I'm from SLOE: the people over here actually thought Clinton was a great president. In my country, a woman holds the most important political post and I vote for her. I think the right guy won - the nomination and the election. But you've had a lot worse choices than these three in the past. Thomas

Nonnymus Webmaster awss@cox.net Nov 21, 2008, 7:00 PM Post #16 of 42 (13 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post George Leppla wrote: > > > I think the screaming you hear is probably Nonny... one of Hillary's > best fans. <vbg> > > George L My take on the matter was that Slick was pushing for her to get the job. . . anything to get her out of town so he can go party. -- Nonnymus- Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. -Mark Twain

salmoneous@aol.com Webmaster salmoneous@aol.com Nov 21, 2008, 8:16 PM Post #17 of 42 (12 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post > I'd think that was obvious: she was his main opponent for the > nomination? *I* 'd certainly be a bit bitter. She spent the last 3 months busting her ass to get Obama elected. What more does she have to do to prove she's not some sort of bitter harpy?

salmoneous@aol.com Webmaster salmoneous@aol.com Nov 21, 2008, 8:21 PM Post #18 of 42 (12 views) Shortcut Re: OT: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post And since I'm taking this thread way to seriously, a joke "Barack Obama met with Hillary Clinton on Friday to see if she would be interested in a role in his administration. 'Of course,' said Hillary. 'I'll take president.'" ---Seth Meyers

Nonnymus Webmaster awss@cox.net Nov 21, 2008, 8:25 PM Post #19 of 42 (12 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post Octopus Ride wrote: > <fxd99@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message > news:001a3f78$0$24018$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... >> George Leppla wrote: >>> "Thomas W." <avlv@hotmail.de> wrote in message >>> news:lf4ei498ha53muucgaj1skn71cbuvcvsl6@4ax.com... >>> >>>> Apparently, Hillary is going to be Obama's Secretary of state: >>>> >>>> http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/clinton-to-accept-secretary-of-state-job/?hp >>>> >>>> Thomas >>> >>> >>> I think the screaming you hear is probably Nonny... one of Hillary's best >>> fans. <vbg> >>> >>> George L > >> So much for 'change'. His whole staff seem to be Clinton admin. retreads. >> That didn't take long. > > Thank goodness he's picking actual adults with proven track records of > success instead of a rogues gallery filled with inept clods. I You're forgetting Hillary. Her only experience was being Slick's bag "man" for Whitewater and all the criminals he pardoned for a "slight fee" when he departed office. -- Nonnymus- Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. -Mark Twain

Nonnymus Webmaster awss@cox.net Nov 21, 2008, 8:26 PM Post #20 of 42 (12 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post salmoneous@aol.com wrote: > On Nov 21, 4:29 pm, Thomas W. <a...@hotmail.de> wrote: >> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:19:43 -0800 (PST), salmone...@aol.com wrote: >>>> I see it the same way. But in any case, it's going to be very >>>> entertaining to see him and Hillary duke it out. If he's able to >>>> control her, I'll be very impressed. >>>> Thomas >>> You seem to think Hillary will fight with the president and be nearly >>> impossible to control. Why? >> That's putting it strongly. I think it's a good choice, but that it >> might lead to trouble because of Mrs. Clinton obvious strong ego > > Everybody at this level has an obvious strong ego. Why single out > Hillary? > 'Cause she's a nasty bitch? -- Nonnymus- Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. -Mark Twain

Nonnymus Webmaster awss@cox.net Nov 21, 2008, 8:28 PM Post #21 of 42 (12 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post salmoneous@aol.com wrote: >> I'd think that was obvious: she was his main opponent for the >> nomination? *I* 'd certainly be a bit bitter. > > She spent the last 3 months busting her ass to get Obama elected. What> more does she have to do to prove she's not some sort of bitter harpy? How can she disprove the obvious? -- Nonnymus- Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. -Mark Twain

fxd99@NOSPAMverizon.net Webmaster fxd99@NOSPAMverizon.net Nov 21, 2008, 8:30 PM Post #22 of 42 (12 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post Nonnymus wrote: > You're forgetting Hillary. Her only experience was being Slick's bag > "man" for Whitewater and all the criminals he pardoned for a "slight > fee" when he departed office. > > With the help with Obama's choice for AG... Denny in Mass

Nonnymus Webmaster awss@cox.net Nov 21, 2008, 8:32 PM Post #23 of 42 (12 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post fxd99@NOSPAMverizon.net wrote: > Nonnymus wrote: > >> You're forgetting Hillary. Her only experience was being Slick's bag >> "man" for Whitewater and all the criminals he pardoned for a "slight >> fee" when he departed office. >> >> > With the help with Obama's choice for AG... > Denny in Mass Oh, what a fun 4 years this is going to be. -- Nonnymus- Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. -Mark Twain

fxd99@NOSPAMverizon.net Webmaster fxd99@NOSPAMverizon.net Nov 21, 2008, 8:32 PM Post #24 of 42 (12 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post salmoneous@aol.com wrote: >>I'd think that was obvious: she was his main opponent for the >>nomination? *I* 'd certainly be a bit bitter. > > > She spent the last 3 months busting her ass to get Obama elected. Now that's funny! Denny in Mass

"George Leppla" Webmaster george@cruisemaster.com Nov 21, 2008, 8:33 PM Post #25 of 42 (12 views) Shortcut Re: Congratulations to Jon Stewart! [In reply to] Can't Post   <salmoneous@aol.com> wrote in message news:09d953ad-6d15-463d-9933-9c495ec9d17d@h5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... >> I'd think that was obvious: she was his main opponent for the >> nomination? *I* 'd certainly be a bit bitter. > > She spent the last 3 months busting her ass to get Obama elected. What > more does she have to do to prove she's not some sort of bitter harpy? If I could stick a knife in my heart Suicide right on the stage Would it be enough for your teenage lust? Would it help ease your pain? George L

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