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"  Merlins Wingman" Webmaster merlinswingman@earthlink.net Nov 12, 2008, 9:42 PM Post #1 of 9 (18 views) Shortcut points off turnover Can't Post I am a technical handicapper as compared to a fundamental handicapper or trend handicapper , and one of the stat calculations I track is how a team responds to pressure . Is there a site that tracks points off turnovers or turnovers occured in opponents yardline ( like a team drives 40 yards and then commits a turnover or they give up the ball on their side of the field ) . I might have missed it , but I didnt see it on nfl.com or covers.com And just when I was going to start tracking incompletions in the second half , nfl.com stops the formal breakdown by halves . Btw I will be restarting my NFL performance next season as I have to rebuild my notes/formulas , so if I have a stat you wanted tracked and can provide the info source , let me know , and maybe I can generate some findings . No promises on that .

rabbits77 Webmaster rabbits77@my-deja.com Nov 13, 2008, 12:02 PM Post #2 of 9 (17 views) Shortcut Re: points off turnover [In reply to] Can't Post   Merlins Wingman wrote: > I am a technical handicapper as compared to a fundamental handicapper or > trend handicapper , and one of the stat calculations I track is how a team > responds to pressure . Is there a site that tracks points off turnovers or > turnovers occured in opponents yardline ( like a team drives 40 yards and > then commits a turnover or they give up the ball on their side of the > field ) . Not exactly what you want but cbs sportsline has interception returns aka "Int.-Returns" http://www.cbssportsline.com/nfl/gamecenter/teamstats/NFL_20080907_SEA@BUF

"  Merlins Wingman" Webmaster merlinswingman@earthlink.net Nov 13, 2008, 8:44 PM Post #3 of 9 (16 views) Shortcut Re: points off turnover [In reply to] Can't Post How dare you read and reply to my message ?!? Dont you know this group is for spam and scamdicappers . Thanks for the info . I dont think it was what I was looking for exactly , but it might lead to other things . I could go thru the play by play list , and make my process even more tedious . I had forgotten about cbssportsline. I am also hopeful this will get this group back to discussing useful techniques like result xyz indicates a paper tiger , and that team should be avoided in future selections . "rabbits77" <rabbits77@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:e794f$491c5db5$c650990a$6958@news.eurofeeds.com... > Merlins Wingman wrote: >> I am a technical handicapper as compared to a fundamental handicapper or >> trend handicapper , and one of the stat calculations I track is how a >> team responds to pressure . Is there a site that tracks points off >> turnovers or turnovers occured in opponents yardline ( like a team drives >> 40 yards and then commits a turnover or they give up the ball on their >> side of the field ) . > Not exactly what you want but cbs sportsline has > interception returns > aka "Int.-Returns" > http://www.cbssportsline.com/nfl/gamecenter/teamstats/NFL_20080907_SEA@BUF

rabbits77 Webmaster rabbits77@my-deja.com Nov 14, 2008, 12:38 PM Post #4 of 9 (16 views) Shortcut Re: points off turnover [In reply to] Can't Post   Merlins Wingman wrote: > How dare you read and reply to my message ?!? Dont you know this group is > for spam and scamdicappers . > > Thanks for the info . I dont think it was what I was looking for exactly , > but it might lead to other things . > I could go thru the play by play list , and make my process even more > tedious . I had forgotten about cbssportsline. > > I am also hopeful this will get this group back to discussing useful > techniques like result xyz indicates a paper tiger , and that team should be > avoided in future selections . Hey, I'd be up for it! I am looking at some stats of my own at the moment which is why the response came so quickly. I like cbssportsline the best. Great place to go for stats. Of course, now that I said that it'll jinx the site or something. ;)

rabbits77 Webmaster rabbits77@my-deja.com Nov 14, 2008, 1:04 PM Post #5 of 9 (16 views) Shortcut Re: points off turnover [In reply to] Can't Post   Merlins Wingman wrote: > How dare you read and reply to my message ?!? Dont you know this group is > for spam and scamdicappers . > > Thanks for the info . I dont think it was what I was looking for exactly , > but it might lead to other things . > I could go thru the play by play list , and make my process even more > tedious . I had forgotten about cbssportsline. Oh, and cbssportsline also has an "Other" category under touchdowns. This is something I just noticed... If you look at the play by play you can see that Jacksonville had 1 touchdown by intercepting Pittsburgh http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/gamecenter/playbyplay/NFL_20080105_JAC@PIT This is the "1" in the Other category. http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/gamecenter/teamstats/NFL_20080105_JAC@PIT Now, be careful because I have also seen this category be used for punts returned for a touchdown. So, while there is no automatic way to find this out(There should be!) the information is there in some way. Rather than a catchall "Other" category they should just add another line or two for "punt returns" and "interception returns".

"  Merlins Wingman" Webmaster merlinswingman@earthlink.net Nov 14, 2008, 6:38 PM Post #6 of 9 (15 views) Shortcut Re: points off turnover [In reply to] Can't Post Well we could start building a list of stat websites . nfl.com covers.com statfox.com jimfeist.com cbssportsline.com foxsports probably has some stat tracking numbers I havent started college football betting on a regular basis , but did bookmark some sites related to that . I am also hoping to get into nba and mlb on a regular basis . I have done some work in that area before , but not on a regular basis . I even have an idea on a varation of whip for mlb that I plan on tracking . I call it ship ( slugging percentage added to whip ) . I dont know if it will work , but its worth considering . "rabbits77" <rabbits77@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:32123$491dbdc8$c650990a$6369@news.eurofeeds.com... > Merlins Wingman wrote: >> How dare you read and reply to my message ?!? Dont you know this group is >> for spam and scamdicappers . >> >> Thanks for the info . I dont think it was what I was looking for exactly >> , but it might lead to other things . >> I could go thru the play by play list , and make my process even more >> tedious . I had forgotten about cbssportsline. > Oh, and cbssportsline also has an "Other" category under touchdowns. > This is something I just noticed... > If you look at the play by play you can see that Jacksonville > had 1 touchdown by intercepting Pittsburgh > http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/gamecenter/playbyplay/NFL_20080105_JAC@PIT > This is the "1" in the Other category. > http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/gamecenter/teamstats/NFL_20080105_JAC@PIT > Now, be careful because I have also seen this category be used for punts > returned for a touchdown. > So, while there is no automatic way to find this out(There should be!) > the information is there in some way. > Rather than a catchall "Other" category they should just add another > line or two for "punt returns" and "interception returns".

Gary Collard Webmaster SarcastiPundit.73825217@bloglines.com Nov 15, 2008, 12:45 PM Post #7 of 9 (15 views) Shortcut Re: points off turnover [In reply to] Can't Post Some sources include it in boxscores but I do not know of one that includes it as a season stat off the top of my head. Merlins Wingman wrote: > I am a technical handicapper as compared to a fundamental handicapper or > trend handicapper , and one of the stat calculations I track is how a team > responds to pressure . Is there a site that tracks points off turnovers or > turnovers occured in opponents yardline ( like a team drives 40 yards and > then commits a turnover or they give up the ball on their side of the > field ) . > > I might have missed it , but I didnt see it on nfl.com or covers.com > And just when I was going to start tracking incompletions in the second half > , nfl.com stops the formal breakdown by halves . > Btw I will be restarting my NFL performance next season as I have to rebuild > my notes/formulas , so if I have a stat you wanted tracked and can provide > the info source , let me know , and maybe I can generate some findings . No > promises on that . > > -- Gary Collard SABR-L Moderator gmcollard at yahoo dot com http://sarcastipundit.blogspot.com/ "It seems like the ultimate modern global economy - First we outsourced our jobs, and then savings, and now we outsource the voting and campaign fund raising." -- Mark Steyn on the Obama campaign

"  Merlins Wingman" Webmaster merlinswingman@earthlink.net Nov 15, 2008, 9:45 PM Post #8 of 9 (15 views) Shortcut Re: points off turnover [In reply to] Can't Post Actually I am looking for points off turnover on a game by game basis . So having it in a boxscore is great . Gary can you list those sites that list points off turnover in their boxscores ? Also I would like to track knockdowns and hurries as an add onto sacks . I have seen the tv broadcasts track hurries and knockdowns during the broadcast . Right now I use nfl.com for my basic numbers , but I am willing to branch out to other websites . "Gary Collard" <SarcastiPundit.73825217@bloglines.com> wrote in message news:3VDTk.1519$mi4.874@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > Some sources include it in boxscores but I do not know of one that > includes it as a season stat off the top of my head. > > Merlins Wingman wrote: >> I am a technical handicapper as compared to a fundamental handicapper or >> trend handicapper , and one of the stat calculations I track is how a >> team responds to pressure . Is there a site that tracks points off >> turnovers or turnovers occured in opponents yardline ( like a team drives >> 40 yards and then commits a turnover or they give up the ball on their >> side of the field ) . >> >> I might have missed it , but I didnt see it on nfl.com or covers.com >> And just when I was going to start tracking incompletions in the second >> half , nfl.com stops the formal breakdown by halves . >> Btw I will be restarting my NFL performance next season as I have to >> rebuild my notes/formulas , so if I have a stat you wanted tracked and >> can provide the info source , let me know , and maybe I can generate some >> findings . No promises on that . > > > -- > Gary Collard > SABR-L Moderator > gmcollard at yahoo dot com > http://sarcastipundit.blogspot.com/ > > "It seems like the ultimate modern global economy - First we > outsourced our jobs, and then savings, and now we outsource the > voting and campaign fund raising." > -- Mark Steyn on the Obama campaign

Gary Collard Webmaster SarcastiPundit.73825217@bloglines.com Nov 17, 2008, 1:36 PM Post #9 of 9 (2 views) Shortcut Re: points off turnover [In reply to] Can't Post Well I looked at NFL/CBS/ESPN and did not see them in their boxes, know I have seen it somewhere but now not sure where. It is pretty easy to do looking at play by play, maybe that's your best bet, given that TO in plus, mid, minus territory are really different in effect so you could do something more robust. I'll keep a look out for the boxes anyway. Merlins Wingman wrote: > Actually I am looking for points off turnover on a game by game basis . So > having it in a boxscore is great . Gary can you list those sites that list > points off turnover in their boxscores ? > > Also I would like to track knockdowns and hurries as an add onto sacks . I > have seen the tv broadcasts track hurries and knockdowns during the > broadcast . > Right now I use nfl.com for my basic numbers , but I am willing to branch > out to other websites . > > "Gary Collard" <SarcastiPundit.73825217@bloglines.com> wrote in message > news:3VDTk.1519$mi4.874@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... >> Some sources include it in boxscores but I do not know of one that >> includes it as a season stat off the top of my head. >> >> Merlins Wingman wrote: >>> I am a technical handicapper as compared to a fundamental handicapper or >>> trend handicapper , and one of the stat calculations I track is how a >>> team responds to pressure . Is there a site that tracks points off >>> turnovers or turnovers occured in opponents yardline ( like a team drives >>> 40 yards and then commits a turnover or they give up the ball on their >>> side of the field ) . >>> >>> I might have missed it , but I didnt see it on nfl.com or covers.com >>> And just when I was going to start tracking incompletions in the second >>> half , nfl.com stops the formal breakdown by halves . >>> Btw I will be restarting my NFL performance next season as I have to >>> rebuild my notes/formulas , so if I have a stat you wanted tracked and >>> can provide the info source , let me know , and maybe I can generate some >>> findings . No promises on that . >> >> -- >> Gary Collard >> SABR-L Moderator >> gmcollard at yahoo dot com >> http://sarcastipundit.blogspot.com/ >> >> "It seems like the ultimate modern global economy - First we >> outsourced our jobs, and then savings, and now we outsource the >> voting and campaign fund raising." >> -- Mark Steyn on the Obama campaign > > -- Gary Collard SABR-L Moderator gmcollard at yahoo dot com http://sarcastipundit.blogspot.com/ "As a former denizen of Harvard, I’ve had to learn that a sense of reality doesn’t always flourish in elite institutions. It is the street virtue par excellence. Bus drivers can display a shrewder grasp of what’s what than Nobel Prize winners." -- Michael Ignatieff

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